Gorbachev, Shultz find Reykjavik revived in Rome

Back in the Cold War, an eon ago, in a little white house in Iceland, the Russian and the American parried and probed each other as antagonists. And together they almost rid the world of doomsday arms.

Today, slower of step but hardly of wit, Mikhail S. Gorbachev and George P. Shultz are allied in that same common cause, and watched as their two countries' new presidents joined this month in the unprecedented step of declaring their governments partners in pursuing the goal of abolishing nuclear weapons.

"Persevere,'' is former Soviet President Gorbachev's advice to the two younger men.

Make sure your "home constituencies'' are behind you, counsels ex-U.S. Secretary of State Shultz.

The two 20th-century statesmen looked back on the famous "failure'' of the 1986 Reykjavik summit and ahead to this new disarmament effort in interviews with The Associated Press during a two-day conference on "Overcoming Nuclear Dangers'' last week in Rome.

In that October 23 years ago, Gorbachev, President Ronald Reagan and their lieutenants, Mr. Shultz among them, met in the Icelandic capital to negotiate reductions in their nuclear missile forces.

When Mr. Gorbachev surprised the Americans by proposing Moscow and Washington eliminate all nuclear weaponry, Mr. Shultz barely hesitated. "Let's do it,'' the transcript shows him responding.

Both presidents had touched on the idea in recent speeches, but few outside the inner Kremlin circle expected it to land on the bargaining table. Reagan was enthusiastic, Mr. Gorbachev optimistic. But it wasn't meant to be. This earthly aspiration _ of a world without a nuclear nightmare _ foundered on the shoals of outer space.

Reagan was unyielding on his other dream, of a space-based defense system that would shield America from any rogue state's missile attack. The Russians, meanwhile, were unswayed from their conviction that such a scheme was meant to give their old Cold War foes a permanent military advantage.

"We came very close. We were ready to sign an agreement in principle,'' Gorbachev told the AP, sitting beneath the lofty, lush murals of Raphael's 16th-century Villa Madama, site of the Italian government's conference dinner Thursday.

But  "we regarded this'' _ Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative _ "as an attempt to weaponize outer space. We saw that that was a real danger.''

The Russians demanded the SDI be limited to laboratory research. Reagan refused.

"In the end it got entangled,'' recalled Mr. Shultz, meeting with a reporter in the marble-clad grand halls of Italy's Mussolini-era Foreign Ministry. ``If anything was to happen, everything had to happen.'' The summit ended in seeming discord.

A generation later, however, both men look back and see more success than failure. The ambition and spirit of Reykjavik contributed, they believe, to the 1991 U.S.-Soviet START agreement, the first reducing the superpowers' ranks of atomic-tipped missiles, and to the concurrent end of the Cold War.

"Certainly our efforts were not in vain,'' said Mr. Gorbachev, who went on to win the 1990 Nobel Peace Prize. "A very large proportion of nuclear weapons have already been destroyed.''

For his part, Mr. Shultz, at 88 still natty in a rich, gray-striped suit and commanding in his precise, lawyerly tone, carries around a chart to show people how the number of weapons declined post-Reykjavik. The old, missile-heavy doctrine of ``mutual assured destruction'' was ``not a very healthy way to achieve peace,'' he said.

Still, more than 23,000 nuclear warheads remain, 95 percent of them in Russian and U.S. arsenals. When President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev embraced the no-nukes goal in a joint declaration April 1, they said they would start by negotiating further reductions in those arsenals.

The two travelers on the long road from Reykjavik were asked what they'd now advise the presidents.

Mr. Gorbachev, at 78 somewhat hobbled but still ebullient and overflowing with ideas, recalled that he met quietly with Mr. Obama at the White House last month. "I said to him `I've been following your campaign, and it seems I've known you for a hundred years,''' the Russian recounted. "He said, `But I've known you longer.'''

"Now,'' Mr. Gorbachev turned to the reporter's question, "what's my advice?

"Once you have taken the first step, persevere, make the second step and a tenth step, move forward in cooperation, in dialogue, in discussion, don't be afraid of unexpected turns and situations that might develop.''

The Republican Shultz said the Democrat Obama's popularity gives him  "wind at his back,'' but he suggested the two young presidents' "most difficult negotiations'' on arms control may first come in their capitals, ``within the constituencies on each side.'' Then, ``when they agree on something they can carry it out at home.''

He was careful not to single out likely opponents, although he acknowledged that the "the people working directly on these programs'' _ elements of the U.S. military and the huge nuclear weapons laboratories _ "may feel otherwise'' about Mr. Obama's ambitious arms control agenda.

On the other hand, Mr. Shultz told of an evangelical church group that called on him and left persuaded. "They were convinced this is their issue,'' he said. "It's interesting what comes out of the woodwork when it's known what we're working on.''

The no-nukes movement can only grow in support in the months and years to come, said both elder statesmen.

"We have learned some lessons,'' said Mr. Gorbachev. "I hope.'' (AP)